Comments on: Is “Missing” Something in Communication Merely “Not Hearing”? http://www.jpmoreland.com/2012/04/02/is-missing-something-in-communication-merely-not-hearing/ Thu, 23 May 2013 23:03:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Kiel West http://www.jpmoreland.com/2012/04/02/is-missing-something-in-communication-merely-not-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-2160 Kiel West Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:31:18 +0000 http://www.jpmoreland.com/?p=1826#comment-2160 If anyone cares to, I’d love to hear some expansion on that “subjectivity” that listening Christians are so often worried about. I am trying to develop my own ideas about this subject, but I’m still trying to figure out what’s so frightening about getting it wrong.

]]> By: Richard http://www.jpmoreland.com/2012/04/02/is-missing-something-in-communication-merely-not-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-2053 Richard Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:59:00 +0000 http://www.jpmoreland.com/?p=1826#comment-2053 Timothy,
The Storms/Patton exchange can be found here:http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/category/why-i-amnot-charismatic/page/5/

Patton and Storms are friends and the exchange is not only cordial but manifests a genuine desire for understanding and clarity.

]]> By: Timothy Bayless http://www.jpmoreland.com/2012/04/02/is-missing-something-in-communication-merely-not-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-2034 Timothy Bayless Thu, 05 Apr 2012 06:36:13 +0000 http://www.jpmoreland.com/?p=1826#comment-2034 Richard,
Thanks for your encouraging words. I agree with you: the “thunder and fire”-only expectation is unwarranted. And incorrigibility sets the bar for knowledge unjustifiably high. It lessens the risk of being wrong, but at too high a cost. Also, I’m familiar with Sam Storms and have read one of his books, but didn’t know of the Storms/Patton exchange. I’ll have to look for that. Where did you find it?

]]> By: Richard http://www.jpmoreland.com/2012/04/02/is-missing-something-in-communication-merely-not-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-2015 Richard Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:42:49 +0000 http://www.jpmoreland.com/?p=1826#comment-2015 This was very insightful. Thank you for your efforts in this series. I think part of the problem for those who object to “hearing God” today along the lines taught by Dallas Willard is a false expectation that if God communicates it must be overtly overwhelming to such an extent that there is no possibility of “not hearing.” Now, of course, God can do that but there is no reason to think that he must always do that. In a recent internet exchange between C. Michael Patton and Sam Storms on the issue of the continuation of the gifts this issue came up. Patton seemed to only be willing to countenance the “thunder and fire” approach in order to grant that God was speaking to him. He even spoke about experiences that were fairly typical of those listening to God but he discounted his own experiences because he felt they we too open to subjectivity. He wanted an experience that was incorrigibly divine without any chance of being wrong. With such a high epistemic standard it is of course easy to dismiss Willard’s ideas of hearing God. Your current series on “hearing God” is helpfully unmasking these false epistemic assumptions. Thanks again!

]]> By: JP Moreland's Web » Objections to Hearing God (Part Four): Does God “Try”? http://www.jpmoreland.com/2012/04/02/is-missing-something-in-communication-merely-not-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-2014 JP Moreland's Web » Objections to Hearing God (Part Four): Does God “Try”? Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:59:04 +0000 http://www.jpmoreland.com/?p=1826#comment-2014 [...] is at issue is whether God speaks, but the person spoken to somehow "misses it." [See this post for more on "missing it."]  Though this explanation isn't, properly speaking, an essential [...]

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